When I sanded the metallic paint it left smeary marks that looked like swipes and scratches that the clear coat would not hide. How often are you going to paint and do you want a pro finish or a slapdash finish? 1 decade ago. Halfords stock a petrol-resistant lacquer for fuel tanks/motorbikes etc. However, this is the most important stage in any paint job and if you mess up here it will show big time when the lacquer is applied. High build primers contain high solids ⦠The extra sanding helps to make the surface you're painting smooth and unblemished. Then give the area a few very thin coats of laquer. The weather will have a lot to do with how long it takes. Large areas or vehicles which do not need to be 100% perfect can be sanded with orbital or d/a sanders using dry abrasives, but the final finish is usually lower quality than if hand flatted If you allow them to remain there, they may blow onto your work as you paint, ruining the look of your paint job. Once the initial coat has dried, repeat the process. But yes, you should be able to get rid of the runs when flatting (as described below) - just try to rub only the run until its about flat in case you rub right through the lacquer! Joined: 9 Jun 2005 Posts: 13,895. This is called base coat/clear coat, or bc/cc. I'll just try lacquer directly on top of the paint ⦠If the finish looks patchy, apply another coat of paint or wait until the surface is completely dry before rubbing it down and starting the lacquering process again. Save yourself lots of grief and use a spray can for larger areas! I had bad results sanding Duplicolor metallic paint so I'd really do it only before the last color coat, and only if you have defects or orangepeel that need to be leveled. the way to go,is get your colour built up with a mist coat,1-2 full coats,let it tack off the do a wet on wet to finish. I'm almost done my Ferrari F355 painted ferrari red with automotive lacquer, I'll post some pix when its done. Painting spoiler with metallic base and 1k laquar - posted in Bodywork and Painting: Hi, Im a painting newbie. Otherwise the silver will stand up way too much through the clear. I've painted a few bits and would suggest that if you are using the normal spray cans that you do a wet sand with something like a 1200 (min.) The trial colour is fine. Create a smoother surface on the paint with each successive pass of the sandpaper. Cheers pedrobedro, Apr 19, 2010 #2. pedrobedro Man at Matalan. how long should i leave it before lacquering? Avoid touching the paint to see if it is dry. Skip to ... Rust-Oleum Gold Metallic Finish Furniture Paint 12 5ml Add to basket Add (opens a popup) Adding. Step 4 - Apply a Primer. I have denibbed and flatted down with 1500 paper, just about to apply decals. grit to smooth the surface. To prepare you car you donât need to take all the paint off, you just need to rub the original paint down. Rust-Oleum Furniture Finishing Wax 400ml . An essential step in painting metal surfaces, and one youâll need to do before applying any top coat or colour, priming seals the surface and creates a protective barrier, creating the ideal surface for the colour coat paint to stick to. I used 1200 grit, very lightly, and I could still see the scratch marks through the lacquer. DaddyC RMS Regular. £10.00. Flatting down before lacquer. If you are using aerosols, youll need two or three coats of lacquer spaced approx half an hour apart. I do not intend to rub down the hammerite, just clear lacquer over it. if uve got a tack rag handy u can use that but as its diy?? Basecoat paint is a unique easy to apply material. This is probably the easiest surface to paint onto. If you do wet sand it make absolutely sure it's completely dry (of water) before applying further coats. Blending Metallic Paintwork - posted in Bodywork, Paint and Detailing: Hi I'm having the devil's own game trying to do some paintwork repairs on my 25. No one wants that. you dont lacquer celly as a rule.dont rub a metallic,or you will cut the metal particals,which knackers the finish. All you need to do, is apply a primer and undercoat with a roller to create the best surface. Then dust on the last two color coats and clear it without messing with it. Even with a perfect paint match the paint will look darker. You do not sand the base coat, you can spray the clear within a very short time of the last base coat. Allow the car to dry after the last application of sandpaper. Spray on a second coat of paint. Posts: 20 Joined: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:35 ⦠As paint jobs became more complex, with pearl or metallic finishes, these simple paints could not hold up. Trust. Only did it last Sunday. I usually rub the body down with 1500 then 2000 grit sand paper and then wash the body well. sanders, can use 320 grit or finer for solid colours, but basecoat metallic finishes are best finished with finer grades of WetorDry paper. Different paints have different time frames. Lacquer: Lacquer is a well known substance that has been used to give objects a glossy or shiny finish. By the looks of the pics the primer was too dry before you put the silver down. You can wait a slightly shorter or longer amount of time if you think the paint takes less or more than an hour to dry. Actually, sanding between coats of primer is pointless. Apply 2 coats of the base coat, and then wait for the paint to dry completely before sealing with 2 coats of clear coat. You should have let it dry and wet rubbed it with some 320 grit and then finished it off with 800 before applying the base. You shouldn't use any abrasive on an un-lacquered metallic paint. Or what way do ya finish it off . So, let it harden for a couple of days, then use 1200 or 1500 - I did 1200 then 1500 - with soapy water until it feels flat. Wilko Chalky Finish Furniture Paint Prot... £14.00. New paints were developed that added these finishes to a base color paint. Answer to: Do you rub down metallic paint before applying lacquer? Do you think this 24 hour wait time is purely so you can rub it down.? Now I'm left with the problem of trying to paint the new panel areas to match in with the old paint. also do i just spray that lacquer strait onto the badge or is there any prep work after the paint? EYEKANDY's Profile; Settled In. I normally give four colour coats and then smooth the last one prior to lacquer. Step 5 - Smooth the Surface. Top. Your gloss finish is designed to be ⦠Hope you found this article useful. So after all that, I would advice against using tamiya rubbing compound before the clear coat. It's Silver Leaf Metallic (BLVC421) and has had a little bit of panel work done to pass the MOT. Paint a coat of primer onto the veneer finish, sanding the surface once more after the coat of primer has dried thoroughly. You should also fit your body kit at this stage to make sure everything is inline and fits. A bit of dust below 3 layers of lacquer will become a big issue if you have to sand down to where it is then re-apply each layer. Do i rub it down with something like 2000 grit wet&dry very wet ? Eager RMS Regular. wet on wet in a full coat all over,then go over that with another coat right away. For example, on a more humid day, you'll have to wait a little longer than normal. It was fine for a year or so then the paint and laquar cracked like crazy paving. you do not clear over mistakes, ie:runs, fish eyes, etc..., you must correct any issues before applying the clear. If you're having an issue with too much texture or getting runs in the paint, you may want to sand. Rub down with paper, then undercoat, then first coat then second coat. I did so much reasearch and reading prior to this particular paint job, but the one thing I didn't even think about was a timeframe between base and clear!!! I use a 1.5 nozzled Metabo (£40) and a Kestrel detail gun with a 1.0 nozzle (£25). This means you may have to sand the finish down and start over. I would block it smooth now with 320 and 800 and redo your silver. If you donât prime the surface with sealer, the plaster will soak up any paint like a sponge, so youâll waste a lot and end up doing more coats than youâll need.Allow all bare or new plaster to dry completely before decorating. A clear coat is added over that paint to protect it. I use a couple of gravity fed spray guns, they are both economy guns. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > jordan1 , Apr 19, 2010 #1. jordan1 Member. Halfords have their own "guide" here, which states that in the case of metallic paint, rub it down with wet and dry then clean and dry ... but don't sand it before the clear coat. Sanding through the topcoat of paint to the undercoat will require that you repaint the vehicle and begin again. Wet sand all of the paint with 1000-1500 grit sandpaper, and rinse and dry the car before taping off the windows and other fixtures you don't want to paint. I removed the spoiler and rubbed it down to primer with some bare pu showing. Users of power tools, particularly D.A. Painters Guide for Basecoat Paint Basecoat Paint â 2K Clear Lacquer & 2K Primer Filler Understanding basecoat paint: Basecoat paint dries matt or semi matt, and requires a top coat of clear gloss lacquer. Then put some laquer on ? 6. Lacquer removal from plastic spoiler - dieselhead : Give it a rub down with a very fine cutting compound - if you rub too hard the metallic paint will shear and you will have to repaint with basecoat + laquer. Sand the surface again to ensure it is as smooth as possible. just painted my door badges in a Renault metallic silver. Messages: 2,053 Location: Yorkshire England. The paint must be completely dry before you do anything else. 4 out of 5 stars (32) Rust-Oleum Furniture Finishing Wax 400ml Add to basket Add (opens a popup) Adding. No laquer on it yet. Paint Spraying-Humidity and Temperature Warning! Is that finish ok now to lacquer?. Messages 25,493 Drives Golf V5 19 Jan 2008 #2 Laquer then rub down with whatever you think is required, but defo sumat like 2000 or 1500 at worst if needed, then polish up . Before a car can be painted with bc/cc, it must be sanded, filled and primed. Now apply two coats of lacquer, separated by a gap of 15-minutes. Has anyone, sprayed Halfords clear coat ontop of Hammerite say with an hours wait (i.e in my case before the dew starts to form) i.e.before 7.00pm. EYEKANDY. I've read the Halford's web site help page and it says metallic paints should be rubbed down with 1200 grit before lacquering. Make sure you do not spray in wet or humid conditions! Messages: ⦠djmr2. Anonymous. Waiting at least an hour will ensure the paint is dry before you apply another coat. If you want a good finish with little orange peel, leave the third coat to go hard overnight, flat it back with 1200 and then spray the final coat of laquer. Preparing for a BC/CC Paint Job. (Why don't you sand the base before clear?) It's PPG acrylic. Applying the lacquer separately gives that deep high gloss finish. Then, use a sprayer to apply 2 coats of primer to the car and wet sand with 2000 grit sandpaper. I had a rear spoiler painted by a mate. I am about to lacquer 2k clear over week old finished coat. When you apply metallic paint with a pen or brush, the metallic flake will not lay down properly. The reason we usually recommend not sanding is that the paint could still be too soft to sand despite it feeling dry to the touch. I hate painting. If you have runs in a 2-stage base coat you are spraying way too heavy. Discover furniture paint in a wide variety of colours and finishes. Take care at corner areas or raised ridges in the automobile as these areas have the thinnest layers of applied paint. find out the time window on the brand of product you are using. 2 Jul 2013 at 10:49 #4 "andy" Capodecina. It may seem dull but once you apply the clear coat it should restore the color. Now all the male friends male family members and male neighbours will ask who did it for you and you will have a nice warm glow when you tell them!!! Exactly!! sweetkidda megane May 16, 2007 #2 should b ok to laquer straight over as long as the base color is dry!!! E. 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