a hollow cylindrical shape. It’s a poetic way of saying “all of time”. In this context, when the Jews/Greeks said “The Ages” they literally meant “The Ages.”. The word most commonly translated forever or eternal in the Old Testament is the word “olam“, sometimes spelled “owlam”. Therefore, Christ is eternal before time that God that existed from eternity past Isaiah 5715 says for thus, the high-end exalted one lives forever whose name is Holy, is the I am in the Old Testament. ... s won’t amount to one Eternity…we’ll need a lot more than that. The disciples even asked Jesus when the “end of the age (aion)” was. Users who like Eternity Forever (Original Mix) - Lee Van Dowski [SNIP] Square Pegs, Round Holes -5 Years of Snatch! Not only that, but when we die we get to spend forever with Him in paradise. There are tons of other scriptures that fall into this category. Thanks for your vote! That is, every Age and every subdivision of Ages. 166 aiṓnios (an adjective, derived from 165 /aiṓn “an age, having a particular character and quality“) – properly, “age-like” (“like-an-age”), i.e. I know I won't be bored there and I’ll be with God, but I can't begin to feel happy about that because of the fear of infinity. The burning alive of the worshippers of the beast creates smoke that rises. You are not running from me, but moving toward me. In the verse below, it’s “αἰῶνα” (aiōna) instead of the “naked” version). How can we know what God said if the translators change the text!!! So while your English translation tells you that this sin will “never” be forgiven, that’s not what the Greek says. By definition, the word olam means we can’t know how long it lasts; we can only know it’s “a very distant time”. (a common problem I’ve found in many passages.) (For the sake of argument, we’ll pretend I think this phrasing means “ages of the ages”. Yeah, I'd like to live forever as I'm a sci-fi fan and it'd be pretty cool to see if we get to invent warp drive or time travel in a few hundred years or so. Amen. When i die, what happens? #165 properly, an age; by extension, perpetuity (also past); by implication, the world; specially (Jewish) a Messianic period (present or future), αἰών A space of time, as, a lifetime, generation, period of history, an indefinitely long period; in NT of an indefintely long period, an age, eternity… …the ages or world-periods which when summed up make eternity. In Matthew, Jesus said blasphemy against the Spirit won’t be forgiven “in this age” (which was His current age, at the very end of the age of the Jews); or the “the age to come” (The church age). What is life, is it real? Again, the “destruction of ages” is certainly the worst in all the ages because it meas you’ll be separated from God Himself. Further, you’ll be “ruined” in the sense of abandoning all chance of a reward in the afterlife. Olam means simply that it’s concealed in duration. Experimentation. A common phrase in the Hebrew is “l’olam va’ed” and is usually translated as “forever and ever” but in the Hebrew it means “to the distant horizon and again” meaning “a very distant time and even further” and is used to express the idea of a very ancient or future time. A good example of this is the end of the parable of the wheat and tares. It’s a little more obvious in the Greek, but it carries over to the English too, we just miss it most of the time. Holes don't close up and turn into scars in three days. The phrase “eternal life” here is “aionios life”, which refers to the type/quality of the life not the duration. Please pay special attention to the translation abbreviated “INT:”. For a complete understanding of why, you’ll need to read most of my ~25k word article on Revelation. In the Greek language, words can have a different form depending on how the are used. I though those few verses were as bad as it got. Olam simply means “at or beyond the horizon” which is “a very distant time“. Literally every single time you see the phrase “eternal life” in your Bible, it’s not “eternal” life in the Greek. 17                     who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. 33                    and He will reign over the house of Jacob forever (aion), and His kingdom will have no end. No, and Here’s Proof, Yes, The Bible CLEARLY Says Sex Outside of Marriage is Wrong, Seeing the Bible from the Hebrew Cultural Perspective, The Biggest Hole in Hell: Aion, Ages and Eternity (. As I said in the introduction, The existence of Eternal Torment rests on two pillars: The translation of a single word (Aion, and its adjective form aionios), and the example of “hell” being a burning trash heap. For those who get olam contempt, (from the perspective of Universal Restoration) we can’t know how long it will take those in the lake of fire to repent for their wickedness; we only know it will be a long time. People come into the world with nothing but leave with their hearts filled with love. The drought can't last forever. (The Jews believed that some sins were so grave, only the death of the one who committed them could atone for them. Our first kiss, For example. I certainly think the Holy Spirit is the “Spirit of Ages” in the sense of being the greatest Spirit throughout all the ages. 9                    These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power. So olam mean “a very distant time” which is far enough away you can’t see it. INT stands for “Interlinear”, which gives a literal meaning of the word. God’s idea of a higher quality life is one that more accurately reflect His character. So while I’ve been using the “naked” version “aion” and “aionios”, in Greek it will always have a suffix to tell you what part of speech the word is. By definition, the meaning of forever defies all attempts to put an exact number of days/years on it. Eternity. Everyone agrees it means eternal. (link below). Also, the definition for the word translated destruction is interesting here: 3639 ólethros (from ollymi/“destroy”) – properly, ruination with its full, destructive results (LS). Depth 8. “Eternal life” isn’t something we get in the future; it’s something we have right now. By contrast, finding verses that tell us we’ll live forever (in heaven) are much rarer. The smoke is a “soothing aroma” to God. Love is a forever feeling. Their job is translating, not editorializing what God Himself said. Why couldn’t the “unforgivable” sin be forgiven then? There’s no disagreement about this from anyone that I can see. Just like with Edom, the punishment was dealt out and it was terrible. And at the risk of beating a dead horse, it’s about the quality/type of life, not the duration. First, the word Aion there is plural. (for instance, Jesus talking about the “end of the aion”)  There are many places the Universal Restoration people go to to prove their position. To ALL Your beloved! Can time tick on forever or will time itself end? Again, you can see where God’s priorities are. An Eternity of Forevers. He was glad they fell from the overpass and hit him on the head. We still think of it like that today. The obvious conclusion is that if the life is eternal – and we know Christians will live forever – then the punishment must be eternal also. Ever since childhood I’ve been afraid of the concept of eternity. Nowhere does it say the sin can’t be forgiven. The translation of Aion in such cases is undisputed by anyone. I will extol you, my God and King, and bless your name forever and ever. Instead, Jesus used the word “Aion” which means ages. Lets go back to the definition of Aion (noun form) to clarify: 165 aiṓn (see also the cognate adjective, 166 /aiṓnios, “age-long”) – properly, an Age (era, “time-span”), characterized by a specific quality (type of existence). 9                     You shall offer up in smoke the whole ram on the altar; it is a burnt offering to the LORD: it is a soothing aroma, an offering by fire to the LORD. Sometimes it’s translated “world”, or another similar word. (I’ll give examples in a minute.). Cropping 10. NO LEMON, YOU GUYS ARE FREAKING 14 IN THIS!!! (It’s worth noting that in the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures – the Septuagint – olam was most often translated as “aion”.). Obviously we aren’t looking to Aristotle for doctrine. Eternity exceeds even an impossibly large number of FPs. It wasn’t until the original Greek was abandoned and Latin became the common tongue that Eternal Torment began to rise to prominence. 24                         “And you shall observe this event as an ordinance for you and your children forever (Olam). Here’s the definition: Short Definition: no, not Holes (2003) 00:21:19 will be cursed for always and eternity. However – according to Exodus – the smoke from a sacrifice is a “soothing aroma” to God. So too it is with the “punishment of ages”. 13                    And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from evil. Have you heard of a fire that’s been burning there for ~2500+ years? Remember Moses is the burning Bush who shall I say, send me and the answers from God is present tense to be I am. Not only is He the greatest King in all the ages, He rules over all the ages. In dreams, visions, unexpected messages from different sources stating the same message from You to me. (I would read Revelation chapters 21 and 22 if you are in doubt.). Do we become some sort of energy for the purpose of life to go on? Amen. (We’ll also look at the “unforgivable sin” and see how the verse changes completely when you put back the three words that most Bible translations completely remove.). As Stanley stared at the glittering night sky, he thought there was no place he would rather be. This concept is the olam. As I said before, the entire existence of Eternal Torment rests on only two pillars. In de Cælo, Aristotle writes: “The entire heaven is one and eternal (Aidios) having neither beginning nor end of an entire age (Aion). There’s only one forever because – by definition – forever can’t end. Exactly what it says: “Ages of the Ages”? It shall be a statute forever (olam) to him and to his descendants after him. Again, there is only one Greek word for “forever” and it’s not used here (though we’ll get to it soon). You can even use this word to describe “forever” (sort of) because it’s a very long time with no end in sight. 29                    but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin “. Age here means a (long) span of time with a beginning and an end. I believe what goes up, must come down, stars and black holes, hot and cold, energy that expands, then contracts, every action has an equal and opposite reaction, a perpetual motion machine. If Olam means “forever” then we would still need to obey the Mosaic law. For example, We divide the Middle Ages into the early, middle and late middle ages. Framing 9. It adds the properties of Aion to the word it’s modifying. They removed the Greek word “eis“, which basically means “into”, “unto”, “through”, etc; and the Greek Definite article, which is equivalent to our word “the”. in a mechanical manner; by a mechanism. Or time might even be a holographic projection, reaching back to us from the end of eternity! (it’s only ~4 1/2 minutes). Before making this list, I also interviewed 32 people who have been using a cousins forever necklaces for years and found out important aspects to consider. Like Revelation, Isaiah is primarily apocalyptic literature. Watch the official music video for "Forever" by Chris Brown Chris Brown & Young Thug - "Slime & B" out now! Aristotle wrote about “An eternal age pertaining to God.”. A Song of Praise. Background 6. Again though, this was a perfectly natural way to phrase things for the time. Just like like “Rock of Ages” refers to the greatest rock in all the ages, so too “life of ages” refers to the greatest life in all the ages. The Bible only uses it twice, so I’ll copy/paste both verses below. This makes a lot of sense if we look at a few of the place olam is used. Its only meaning is “never” but the Bible doesn’t use it here. Even if aion could sometimes mean forever/eternal, that poses no problem for the Universal Restoration position. There are three Primary ways Aion is used. ... they will be forever cursed. This is NOT a reproduction, check photos for condition. ), The Greek construction of Revelation 14:11 is unique and not found anywhere else in the Bible. I suppose the effect is similar and the meaning of the passage doesn’t change much, but it’s not quite accurate. 8                         Now David and his men went up and raided the Geshurites and the Girzites and the Amalekites; for they were the inhabitants of the land from ancient (olam) times, as you come to Shur even as far as the land of Egypt. Further, they could divide Ages into smaller ages (just like we do today). These uses of aion are consistent with their use in the Bible. Ancient Greek alchemists tried to create a "philosopher's stone" that would let people live forever, but humans have yet to beat death. We are the pinnacle of His creation in the entire universe because we alone share His image and likeness (Gen 1:26). 16                     “For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal (aionios) life. (ζωὴν αἰώνιον). (You can read my article on Revelation if you disagree)   The scripture the John References here is found in Isaiah: (It’s a prophecy about the destruction of Edom). The episode had several writers contribute to the finished product including Harlan Ellison, Steven W. Carabatsos, D. C. Fontana and Gene L. Coon. So with this understanding, let’s look at the verse again: 17                     Now to the King eternal of ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever (Ages of the Ages). So you have Ages within Ages. By “fight of his life” we mean the worst or most dangerous fight of his entire life. Nearly every time it’s translated as “no” or “not”…  because that’s what it means. In Mark, Jesus says it won’t be forgiven “through/to the age”, which was presumably Jesus’ current “age”. 6                         And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal (aidios) bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day. Everyone agrees they belong, but no one puts them in. We still use this terminology today. Let’s look at another place. Some sad parts, others fluffy, some sentimental, and some kissy. Want to get notified of new articles? And I’m not saying there’s any malice on the part of the translators. However, please notice that aion STILL means “Age” not “Forever”. The phrase most often translated “eternal life” doesn’t actually mean “eternal”. The Greek word “ou” is used over 1600 times in the New Testament. Five Sinatra movies are boxed in this set, culled from his biggest era as movie star. God certainly is the God of “the Ages”, and throughout all those ages the power and glory rightfully rests with Him. Just a guess, but I’d say “Doctrinal bias”. That link points to a page where you can see every single time Aion is used in the New Testament (in a few different translations). (Remember, context is crucial in Revelation). www.bereanpatriot.com/the-biggest-hole-in-hell-aion-ages-and-eternity This word is frequently translated as eternity or forever but in the English language it is misunderstood to mean a continual span of time that never ends. So does understanding it’s about the quality not the duration. When you make, memories of your own. Unfortunately, most of us (myself included) often aren’t aware of our own biases. It is now Saturday, January 2, 2021 at 8:24 am. The priestly robes and the Passover celebration were also described as lasting for “olam” and they ended with the cross. Jesus clearly means that Aion (the age) has an end here. automatically. (plural) Amen. Carefree. This is the righteous judgement of God on  unrighteous sinners to bring them to repentance. This would be obvious if you looked at the tenses of the words. When we are sealed in the temple, the marriage lasts forever, meaning that as far as God is concerned, as long as we keep the covenants we just made, there is no reason to ever assume the marriage will dissolve. This jives with the typical usage of of the Greek phrase “Ages of the Ages” (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων). In Matthew 24:3, the disciples ask when is the “end of the age”, so there’s certainly other ages coming. Olam means simply that it’s concealed. If olam meant “forever” then perhaps this would be definitive proof that Universal Restoration is wrong and Eternal torment is right. (which has both the Greek and English so you can compare). Health. I think that Jesus' body was transformed when He went to heaven and the holes are gone. And just in case you’re wondering, yes these verses are in the source text that virtually all new Testament versions are translated from. Both the short and long definitions are “eternal, everlasting“. ... You and your family will be cursed for always and eternity. 00:23:56 you and your family will be cursed for always and eternity. Yes, the Jews believed you could “be saved” after you die based on a verse in Isaiah, which we’ll get to in a future article.). We're doing our best to make sure our content is useful, accurate and safe.If by any chance you spot an inappropriate comment while navigating through our website please use this form to let us know, and we'll take care of it shortly. Nice one. If you look at it that way, “eternal life” doesn’t make a lot of sense. (KJV Genesis 1:1) “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” This is where we start, this is the beginning point. STANDS4 LLC, 2021. Quotes.net. If God wanted to say “eternal punishment”, why didn’t He? [To Elya Yelnats]If you forget to come back for Madame Zeroni, you and your family will be cursed for always and eternity. Rather it emphasizes the consequent loss that goes with the complete “undoing.”. Fanfiction *It's your fault if you haven't watched ANY Camp Camp. However – despite this near universal agreement – nearly every translation insists on translating aion/aionios as “eternal” or “forever”. jaaa. I figured I would do some training for the upcoming events at the famous Eternity Hole in North Carolina. Directed by Geoffrey Sharp. So let’s look at it again with that understanding in mind. . It could be considered a parallel passage to Matthew 25:46 (some go to aionios punishment, others to aionios life). As nouns the difference between eternity and forever is that eternity is (uncountable) existence without end, infinite time while forever is an extremely long time. There are no Rat Pack movies here, nor the early croonings of the bobby-soxer's dreamboat, rather a look at how Sinatra chose to spend his most powerful years as a…. The words in Greek certainly exist, He just didn’t use them. Further, I left out over a dozen verses where God says something that’s part of the law will last “olam”. The point it olam does not mean forever. This verse is used to support the eternal torment position, but I honestly find that position slightly comical for several reasons. In fact, the “life of ages” is so amazing that we know God will take our worst trials and recycle them to make us more like Himself. The second law of thermodynamics is reset each time, … After doing all of it, I also read customer reviews and made sure that the products I’ve picked are high quality. You can hardly open a single page of the Bible (especially in the New Testament) without instructions for how to live better. (Makes me wonder if anything else pointing to Universalism has been removed. Doesn’t that sound like the “life of ages”? This might take a minute to unravel. It is … 4.6 secs. Wealth? However, living a moral life according to God’s commands will make you happier. Wanted to kiss you, for a long time. For example, there’s the Bronze Age, the Iron Age, The Dark Ages, The Middles Ages, and most recently the Information Age. Our typical English phrasing only includes the future.). Further, the Bible has other things to say about smoke. There is a Greek word that means “never”, and it’s the word “οὐδέποτε” (oudepote). Perhaps this statement ended when the others did (at the cross). God is eternally for time. Aion: age (Latinaevum, which is αἰών with the Aeolic digamma), a human lifetime (in Homer, Herodotus, Pindar, Tragic poets), life itself (Homer Iliad 5, 685 με καί λίποι αἰών etc.). Exodus 28:43 (referring to the priestly robes). He gives us “the peace that passes understanding”, He gives us the fruit of the spirit (love, joy, peace, etc) and protects us from the works of the flesh. However, the Eternal Torment (hell) position requires aion to mean forever or eternal. It means He is the greatest/best rock throughout all the ages. (Psalm 104:5) Since the earth was made to last forever, then man also should live forever. We’ll start by looking at aion’s definition. Terah was a a long time ago from Joshua’s perspective. I finally succeeded to create the header to my satisfaction. Gene Roddenberry made the final re-write. Now to add the Greek words so you can see his use…. Today? I know I'm going to spend it in Heaven with Jesus, but I still get a full-blown panic attack when I realize Heaven will last forever and won't end. In the Hebrew mind it is simply what is at or beyond the horizon, a very distant time. There is no dispute of any kind what this word means. This was our creation as we know it, but it was not Gods.So where did God start or begin. Or to quote another author: The reason eternal torment is read from this passage is from the following line of reasoning: Of course, I should point out that many traditionalists today who appeal to this passage don’t believe there is literal fire in hell (which causes its own set of problems). According to Jesus word’s here – when translated fully and without omission – that’s a possibility. At the very least, sometime after the church age is the “age” of the New Heavens and New Earth described in Revelation. You can look at every time Aion is used in the New Testament and see for yourself. It lines up much better with Jesus’ words in Matthew. He is far more concerned with our character than our comfort. Moment by moment You settle my churning mind without fail. As per Ebay policy these license plates expiration date is 3 years or more in the past or where allowed by law. Symmetry and Patterns 7. In the Greek, It doesn’t say “forever”. Also, in this verse – unlike Luke 1:33 – the word aion is singular, not plural. 1. Simply enter your email address below: The Biggest Hole in Hell: Aion, Ages and Eternity, obvious solution isn’t always the correct one, Use #1: To Indicate a Literal Age With a Beginning and End, How The New Testament Uses Aion’s Adjective Form, Back to the Universal Restoration vs Eternal Torment Discussion, The Hebrew Word Typically Translated Forever/Eternal, It will not be quenched night or day; Its smoke will go up forever, It’s the same word, but this form is only used as an adjective, If you exchange “eternal” or “forever” with “of ages” it makes perfect sense in nearly every instance, It wasn’t until the original Greek was abandoned and Latin became the common tongue that Eternal Torment began to rise to prominence, Universal Restoration vs Eternal Torment (hell) introduction, So let’s talk a little bit about the word “hell”, Scriptures That Support Universal Restoration, Scriptures In Revelation That Support Universal Restoration. And just so you know I’m not blowing smoke, you can double check everything I’m saying on the interlinear version of Mark 3:29. In fact, Aristotle uses both aidios and aion in the same sentence, which is very interesting. Paul said that our bodies will be transformed "like unto His glorious body ". Understanding that Eternal life starts right now changes things. This is where it all started (at least for us). For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever (Aion). Day by day. Here’s the verse again in the NASB, and most other translations render it almost identically: Do you see the problem? But nothing lasts forever, because forever is such a long time. First, the Greek word for “and” (καὶ) appears only once in this passage (connecting God and Father) and it’s not between the two uses of Aion. 10                     It will not be quenched night or day; Its smoke will go up forever. 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